A Cursory Look at the 2:18 am Birth Time for Hillary Clinton

The recent debate over the correct birth time for USA Presidential candidate Hillary Diane Clinton has been interesting, to say the least.  I hope, here, to present a defense of this time, using the standard dial-and-midpoint technique of Cosmobiology, or, as some call it, Symmetric Astrology.

For a bit of background, see:  https://youtu.be/-ffCemlJ7V0

And then a dissection:  http://www.patrickwatsonastrologer.com/2016/10/04/why-marc-penfields-218-am-birth-time-claim-for-hillary-is-a-japanese-turd-burger/

Alas, the Rodden data is labeled as “DD,” which means “dirty data,” a rating given to murky data points, even though the very competent astrologer Marc Penfield swears by it.

It should be said here that birth data is a very heady and complicated matter in the realm of astrology.  When, exactly, is someone considered “born,” and can we trust the validity of birth times that are recorded by unknown persons on birth certificates?

Much has been written about these matters, but it is up to individual astrologers to use their skills to verify the usefulness of data as it is reported.  Often, astrologers will settle on an alternate birth time for a natal chart after tinkering with it for some time, in a process called “rectification.”  This is, or should be, standard practice, to be skeptical of what constitutes the basic data of the scope.

The person herself, Clinton, has never released her recorded birth time, and is under no obligation to.  In fact, it might be wise to withhold such information for practical reasons, as many of us still believe that astrology can be used as a weapon, in terms of timing various assaults on a person.  The thinking goes like this:  the points in an astrology chart that are the most sensitive, and vulnerable, are the “angles” and the Moon position, as they move very rapidly and represent the very personal emotional nature of the person, and the inner hopes and dreams, desires, biases, etc.

In this sense, the fundamental character of a person that can be gleaned through a birth chart can be hidden, somewhat, by not divulging the lunar posit.  Or, the time can simply be lied about, throwing everyone off, as there is no way to verify it without an actual study of the official birth certificate that is on file.

Then again, with a figure like Hillary Clinton, not much has been left to the imagination.  We know much more about her than perhaps anyone else in public life, through 25+ years of national media coverage, much of it focusing on her adult life from Wellesley College onward.

Older Guesses at a Birth Time

Astro.com, the data collection site created by Lois Rodden, and most-used by astrologers, offers three times, and sources:

2:18 am – Rodden herself claims to have collected this time.

8:02 am – “Mason time, from staff interview Jan 2003.”

8:00 pm – “herself, according to Ingraham biography.”

The latter times are the most-used by astrologers, it seems, with the 8 pm time being a favorite, perhaps because it posits the Moon in tight alignment with the VE/MA/PL combination often associated with a ruthless passion for power; having Moon there just bolsters the inner desires and dreams for such behavior over the life, and at the apex of the natus, shows the most visible feature of the life.


And, as Moon is receptive in nature, it means also that this is where the person’s enemies and detractors will hone in on.  In other words, no, the very intelligent and prescient nature of Clinton’s ME-90-SA is not a primary driver of her life – only the base, inner, lower-chakra (if you will) part of the personality gains traction with the public.

The endless hysteria over Clinton being part of a mass-murder cult, eliminating enemies one by one, is part of such a narrative, never mind that nothing has ever been proven, or come close to being proven.  Apparently, she and her husband, and their clique, are just very good a murder, and MO=[VE-90-(MA-0-PL)] proves it.

Such VE/MA/PL passions are also victimizing Hillary Clinton in this scenario, with her husband being a known philanderer and, of course, “rapist,” according to those who find it natural to smear the political competition.

Yet, we find that Hillary’s perseverance in the world is nothing less than astonishing.  She’s been crucified and buried more times than I can count, only to be resurrected again.  The Christ himself would be jealous.

Indeed, her favorability ratings (MO/ME), according to Gallup, are quite wild.  Very unpopular when her husband took office in 1993, they have soared, and plummeted, within a certain range, reaching a high plateau during her stint as Secretary of State, and then falling into a chasm recently:


One thing that can be said, generally, about the above graph, is that Clinton suffers mightily during election season, and then rebounds afterward.  She was quite popular with voters in New York State when she served as Senator, handily winning re-election with 67% of the vote.  In the 2000  Senate election, she received 55% of the popular vote, though it should be said that Al Gore took 60% of the vote in NY in that same election.  She currently enjoys a +20 point lead over New York native Donald Trump, though barely skirting above the 50% level of support in recent polls.

What About Those Dials?

Ultimately, the test of which data might be best is to run the various natii through known transits of importance, and there are many to choose from.  For the sake of brevity, I’m going to look at major political events, but first, let’s look at the different midpoint trees for the 8 pm and 2:18 am charts in the 16H, using the 22.5 degree modulus, parallax Moon setting, True Nodes, and the Part of Fortune (a harmonic point of SO-MO+AS):



At first glance, the 2:18 pm chart looks more dynamic, and it is where it counts.  The benefics, Venus and Jupiter, take on more critical roles – rather than canceling each other out, they bring a vibrance to the more difficult pairings of Saturn and Mercury with Uranus, and the industrial Sun/Mars:  VE=[(ME-90-SA)/UR] and JU=SO/MA.

Saturn and Mercury align with the angles, bringing that dynamic square into the forefront.    Clinton is known as a very studied “policy wonk,” with extensive writing to her credit.

Moon, instead of being tied to Mars, is with Neptune, and Pluto finds the midpoint of Venus and Mars, instead of being in aspect with the Ascendant.  The Midheaven, most important with the probability of worldly achievement, is more favorable as well in the 2:18 chart, and the Ascendant points to a far more dynamic, and directed, MA/JU, instead of a more directionless SO/NE, and brings a worldly attention to her ME-90-SA through the Nodes.

In my opinion, the 8 pm chart is nearly impossible to negotiate in a career with high public visibility.  There are too many maniacal combinations, a tendency to self-destruct, and probably die young from either accident or stress on the system.

When we consider the immense negative, and outlandish, charges against Hillary in the media, the receptive Moon’s connection to the Neptunian realm of dark undercurrents makes more sense.  Hillary is the receptor of the illnesses others project on her.

As for transits, we can see that the 2:18 chart best describes Hillary’s highest points in public life, during her years in the State Department.  When she was approved (by a 94-2 vote) on January 21, 2009, her Moon was seeing the best possible transit:


Yet, the potential for trouble lurked with MA/PL in the otherwise fortunate combination of natal [SO/MO] = transit [SO/(VE-45-JU)=(MA/PL)].

As she spent her term visiting 112 nations, and implementing a post-Bush/Cheney foreign policy, she earned mostly high marks, and praise, from around the globe, and at home.

Shattering that, obviously, was the Benghazi incident, on September 11, 2012:


Above, we see the transiting SA/PL midpoint hitting Clinton’s natal MO/PL, and below, the transiting SA/PL midpoint transits her Secretaryship’s SO/PL, which is exactly what we would expect in such a scenario.


There are certainly many other energies at play here, and I’ll leave it to readers to investigate for themselves, as this is not meant to be an exhaustive study.

As it appears right now, Hillary is mathematically assured of being the next President.  If we compare her 2:18 natus with the chart for the next Presidency, the picture is a bit worrisome.  While the 8 pm chart places Moon with Mars and Pluto, leaving an unbalanced situation with the luminaries (a weaker Sun), the 2:18 chart has a more psychologically balanced scenario, with [SO/VE]=[MO/MA].  Given that PL=[VE/MA], a vital axis appears as such, at about the 39 degree point on the 45 modulus:


This axis will be transited by a very serious MO=[MA-90-SA] tree at the scheduled inauguration time, leaving this:

HRC [SO/MO]/[PL=(VE/MA)] = POTUS-2017 MO=[MA-90-SA]:


This is perhaps the opposite of a “cake walk,” and one can only imagine the tests Hillary will be put through in her term.  That same POTUS-2017 chart also features the destined SO=JU/SA, bringing this Presidency to the very leadership of the world of nations, and more specifically SO=MO/JU=JU/SA=PL/AS.  It’s anything but pretty, but surely, if this 2:18 chart time is correct, the cosmos has brought the right human together with the right challenges.  As this presumptive Hillary term ends in 2021, under a new synod of Jupiter and Saturn, what happens in the next four years will obviously be the closing of the 9/11 era, and the seeds of a new global scenario will become more apparent. No doubt we’ll be living in “interesting times,” but if handled properly…  oh, I know, I’m such an optimist!

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“… And the ‘SATURNIAN AGE,’ return again.”

Hooking up my old scanner to my PC proved to be disasterous, as I had to re-install everything from the ground up.  So, taking a break from Sibly, we turn to other affairs of note, this time with a propaganda piece from the Revolutionary Period:


This pro-Federalist piece calls on the wisdom of “returning” to an age of Saturn, or authoritarian law, as the proper divice for government.  North Carolina and Rhode Island are the holdouts to completing the 13-State Federal Union.  The text is as follows:

  • REDEUNT SATURNIA REGNA [Return the rule of Saturn]
  • On the erection of the Eleventh PILLAR of the great National DOME, we beg leave most sincerely to felicitate “OUR DEAR COUNTRY”
  • Rise it will – The foundation good – it may yet be SAVED.
  • ELEVEN STARS, in quick succession rise –
  • ELEVEN COLUMNS strike our wond’ring eyes,
  • Soon o’er the whole, shall swell the beauteous DOME ,
  • COLUMBIA’s boast – and FREEDOM’s hallow’d home.
  • Here shall the ARTS in glorious splendour shine!
  • And AGRICULTURE give her stores divine!
  • COMMERCE refin’d, dispense us more than gold,
  • And this new world, teach WISDOM to the old –
  • RELIGION here shall fix her blest abode,
  • Array’d in mildness, like its parent GOD!
  • JUSTICE and LAW, shall endless PEACE maintain,
  • And the “SATURNIAN AGE,” return again.

What is meant by this “Saturnian Age?”  In short,  it is the rule of law over the rule by men, or the aristocracy.  But, someone has to make up the law, and so the reality is the rule by the legal profession.

Astrologers know very well that Saturn is  connected to government and authoritarianism, and it goes that our Constitutionalists would be aware of such an astrological matter.

The US Constitution’s date of commencement was scheduled for March 4, 1789.  This date, which served as the inauguration date until FDR’s second term, is conspicuous for Saturn’s co-culmination with the Sun on the meridian, or 180° Azimuth.

Being a conspiratorialist at heart, I wondered why they did not choose March 3, the “33” day, but the charts show how March 4 is the superior choice for a mundane chart for the Saturnian Constitution:



So, even though Sun and Saturn are ecliptically conjunct on March 3, March 4 was chosen instead, perhaps because the conjunction was seen as stronger in a mundane elective astrological sense.  This exercise shows us that we need to look at celestial motion and alignments from more perspective than simply the two-dimensional astrology chart.

The ratification of the Constitution, September 17, 1787, was also a special paran with Moon (left), Sun (center) and Sirius (right):


The obvious choice of Sun culminating with Moon rising is particular to the notion of “rule by the people,” as Moon is “the masses.”  This is a somewhat common configuration in elective political astrology.  The juxtaposition with the highly important Sirius, which is oddly setting, seems to suggest that the Constitution is moving away from “the divine right of Kings” to the “ascension of democracy.”

– Ed K


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The Cornerstone Always Goes in the Northeast

Of all the symbols in the Sibly engraving, none are more obscure than the grouping of five elements amidst the Native man.

Anchor, barrel, tobacco, ?, Native American, cornerstone

Anchor, barrel, tobacco, ?, Native American, cornerstone

If we see these as Masonic symbols, the picture becomes more clear.  Firstly, it has been my contention that this scene depicts a foundational event for the Federal Government, and the cube at the rightmost is a cornerstone, waiting to be laid.  Cubes and squares are ubiquitous in Masonic symbolry, representing geometry, and ceremonially a link to the cornerstone at the Temple of Solomon, which measured as a square sacred cubit the Masons think is 18″ by 18″.  There is a stone of these proportions on display in the Scottish Rite headquarters in Washington DC of that size, though not all cornerstones are that size.

In any event, if we assume that the scene is looking westward, the cornerstone falls in the correct place, that of the northwest  corner, pointing to where the Sun rises in the summertime.  Masonry is by and large a solar cult, as is Christianity and Judaism, and many other religious movements in history.  The Sun is, after all, darn important.

All of the figures in the engraving are pointing to that central place where the first stone is to be laid, but it is yet unlaid.  At the left of the Native man’s constellation of symbols is the anchor, and this anchor too is at an angle of 39°, paralleling Justita’s sword, and also pointing north, showing us the future latitude of the Federal City (now called Washington DC).


Not only does the 39° repeat itself, but it is found a third time via the anchor’s perpendicular cross which is at the oblique angle of 51°:


This reinforcement of the geometrical scheme leaves no doubt as to the meaning of this engraving’s lower half.  Anchors in Masonic symbolism are tied to the notion of safe harbor and the calm after the storm, and though it can be a stand-alone symbol, it is often featured with either a sea-nymph (more flood symbolism) or an Ark, as in the one Noah used in his mythical journey through the flood.

The Ark and the Anchor are emblems of a well grounded hope and a well spent life.  They are emblematical of the divine Ark which triumphantly bears us over the tempestuous sea of troubles; and that Anchor which shall safely moor us in a peaceful harbour, where the wicked cease from troubling and the weary are at rest.” – George Oliver, “Signs and Symbols”, page 69.

Masonic dogma includes an antediluvian narrative that speaks to the biblical account, but also the lost utopia of Atlantis, and the “new world” was thought to be the discovery of Atlantis by some Masonic elements.  Flood mythology is common in ancient cultures, and the Christian story is now known to be a re-telling of the Epic of Gilgamesh from the Mesopotamians, but in the time of Sibly, such matters were unknown.  In this engraving, the anchor is now being used to symbolize the ship of state finding a place to berth, after the torment of the wars fought to conquer the new world for Freemasonry.

Next to the anchor is a barrel, or a cask, the contents of which are unknown, but if we assume a Masonic rite, it might contain wine or oil, the two liquids used in such ceremonies.  More on this element later.

The man is holding two things, one being tobacco leaves, perhaps, and the other unidentifiable.  If we assume a cornerstone ceremony, then the tobacco could be used in lieu of the corn or wheat.  The man is prostrate, paying homage to the event, and to the new rulers of the land.

Next, a look at the remaining geometry of the lower half, which features yet more surprises.

– Ed K


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Of Washington DC, Sibly’s Justitia, and the 39°

My intention in the last post was to introduce the contention that a deliberate and meaningful geometry was embedded in Sibly’s “American Independence” engraving.  Similar schemes are known to exist in other works of art from well before in history, and continue to this day.  Though I have no direct evidence that Sibly’s design was indeed geometric, it seems rather obvious that such a scheme exists, and so we should learn what it is telling us.

As revealed in the last post, Justitia is pointing her sword to the ground at an angle of 39°.  This is highly significant gesture if indeed this is the mythologized version of the founding of Washington DC, as it reveals that DC’s symbolic architecture and design are rooted in a dogma that was known to the Freemasons.


39 is a tarot number, being half the deck of 78.  Justice is card #11, and sometimes referred to as the “G” card when compared to the Hebrew alphabet.

It is a fact that Washington DC is a 39° kinda town.  It sits quite near the earth’s 39th parallel, with the Capitol building located at 38°53′ N, and 77°01′ W.

The street plan of the city features roads extending out from the Capitol in different directions.  Pennsylvania Avenue and  New York Avenue are at an angle of 39°, and both are at an angle of 19.5° to the parallel of latitude.


The statue that sits atop the Capitol Building’s dome, the “Statue of Freedom”, is 19.5 (39/2) feet tall.


Washington National Cathedral is also on an angle to the east/west parallel, and it is also at the value of 19.5°, pointing in the same directions as New York Avenue.



Justitia is always depicted with both the sword and scales; the sword is always pointing downward to indicate a stance of non-combat and peace, and it is clever of Sibly to show her with the sword extended at this angle, standing to the north (if we assume that the engraving is looking ot the west), and facing east.

Washington is to the south, gesturing to the “Federal Union” book (The Constitution) on the ground, and pointing another sword to the ground.  Behind him is a building in Greek motif, up on a hill, representing not only the Western cultural tradition, but that this new capital would be established on a philosophical basis rather than monarchial – the dream of the Masoninc Order.  (It is not an accident that Washington DC’s main architecture is done in Greek styling.)

Sibly, ever the Mason, is telling us that “American Independence” was not complete until the Federal Union had a Federal City.  Even though the chart in the sky is for July 4, 1776, the new Federal City was not the seat of government until 1800, some 83 years after the formation of the Grand Lodge of England in 1717.  In fact, there was a big push in 1800 to move the government from Philadelphia to Washington in time for the 4th of July, and though the summer months that year saw little in the way of legislation, the new Federal City was mostly in place as the true locale of power.

It should be noted that in 1800 AD, there was an exact return of the Sun/Jupiter eclipse that sits atop the  chart for Modern Freemasonry @ 13° Cancer; this dual return, called a “synod” in astronomy, is one of the most precise of all the planets, varying by only about a second of arc every return.  The Babylonians made note of this, as had the builders of the Washington National Cathedral, who spaced precisely 83 years between the cornerstone ceremony inn 1908 and the dedication in 1991.


– Ed K

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Where are they?

The question arises, is the scene of the Sibly engraving a specific place, or is it just some generalized anywhere?  Are they in New York, or Philadelphia?

One night when I was looking at the graphic, and after realizing there are about seven really bizarre things about it, I wondered if there was anything to the placements, like with the swords being pointed in certain directions.

Again, the graphic:


Notice that Washington is pointing towards the ground with his sword.  With his left hand, he is presenting the Federal Union.  Justice is also pointing at the child.

At the top, the chart is in the old square format; a line drawn from the MC line in the chart, which is nearly perpendicular, to the bottom and through the ground to the intersections of the swords looks like this:


Yes, lo and behold, there’s a 33° angle and Washington is standing in it.  He, being a noted Freemason, is a Master, and also the personification of the geometry, the “33”.


Next, the angle from the MC line to the lady of Justice is 51°, a strange number, but it’s the reciprocal of 39°, the latitude of Washington DC.


A closer look:


Thus, the setting is most likely the bare land where Washington DC will stand, and that’s probably Georgetown in the background.  Washington is there, proclaiming the ground sacred and just, ready for the great work.

The Native American is also proof that this is Washington DC, but because of what he’s doing — holding corn and oil, and behind him is the cube, the cornerstone!  This is the foundation of the New Masonic Capital, the utopia of this venerable society.

– Ed

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That Mercury is off the chart!

There are two things about Sibly’s Mercury that are of note.  The first is that the glyph is not actually in the chart, but dangling off, as if being held in by the degree/minute numbers to the right:

Closeup of the dangling Mercury and the wrong degree and minute of arc

Closeup of the dangling Mercury and the wrong degree and minute of arc

Clearly the entire glyph is floating in space.  This may be because Sibly ran out of room in the fifth house because he had to list four planets.  If so, then we’ll leave it to sloppy artisanship.

But, another peciliar thing emerges: the degree and minute are incorrect!  All other planets are listed to within a few arcminutes of accuracy, but Merc here is off by 3 whole degrees!  Merc’s actual position on that date at noon was 24 degrees and 18 minutes of arc in Cancer, but Sibly has it listed as 21 degrees and 21 minutes.  Could it be that Sibly’s ephemeris was that bad?  Doubtful.  Taken together, the dangling Merc and the wrong position suggest that this is NOT an accident or slop, but instead a hint to those who may be studying closely.

The graphic, regardless of Merc, has already shown itslef to be a puzzle, and so we should consider Merc to be another goading to look deeper at the event called “America Independence.”  Was there another day in the Independence drama that was of importance?  Does this Merc belong to another entity altogether?  The answer is, perhaps both!

Before we could go futher, though,  we needed to settle on which degree of Cancer was actually being stated on the engraving.  Is it 21 or 22 degrees?  It’s hard to tell when we look closely, and maybe that too is deliberate.  After much comtemplation, we have settled on 21 degrees, for numerous reasons.

In astrology, Mercury “rules” over communication, and a signature falls in that category.  Signatures are the empowering act that commences law in our culture.  It is a little-known fact that an official signing ceremony was held on August 2 of 1776, and this date is when the majority of signatures were affixed on the finished document from the printer.  What was signed on the 4th of July (and is now missing!) was the draft that was handed to the Declaration’s printer – John Dunlap.  From that, Dunlap made a broadside, but it remained unsigned!

True, the measure was passed on July 2, with only the New York delegate not present, and some small revisions were made afterwards until it was handed off to the printer, and to the newspapers no the night of the fourth.  The declaration was read aloud in Philadelphia on July 8th.  It was decided that Franklin would go to France with the document in hand to ask for assistance.  And then finally the signing ceremony, on a day when Mercury is at 21°21′ Cancer, having turned direct in motion.

It should be noted here that August 2 is a special calendar date in some realms, for it is the contemporary observance of the beginning of “fall” that was observed in pagan Europe in pre-Christian times — Lughnasa.  It was one of four “cross-quarter” seasonal observances, the others being Imbolc (February 2), Beltane (May 1), and Samhain (November 1).  These dates approximated the observance of the mid-point between equinoxes and solstices.  Western culture still observes these dates in some form, with Halloween and Groundhog Day being the most obvious in the USA, and Europe fully embracing May 1 as Labor Day, and England having a bank holiday in the first week of May.  Of all the cross-quarter dates, August 2 is the most unobvious, and perhaps that’s why the deliberate symbolic scheduling of this date was overlooked by historians.

To be sure, other highly important national events happened on these special dates:  The Supreme Court first sat on February 2 of 1790.   The Federal Government began governing on May 1, 1789, the day after George Washington was given the oath of office.  “Mission Accomplished” was declared by Bush in 2003 on May 1.  The first H-Bomb was detonated on November 1, 1953.

To be sure, these ancient pagan festival dates preceeded the Roman calendar that was promulgated by the Empire in pagan realms, and as such were not timed strictly to the solar cycle, but rather the soli-lunar cycle.  The assimilation of the pagan holidays into the Roman calendar required a fixed date, and thus the beginnings of Roman months were used to honor the lunar aspect of the pagan observance.

The second day of August is also numerically significant, as the 33rd day of the second half of the year, opposite the 33rd day of the new year, February 2nd.  (May 1 is the 121st day of the year, the square root of 11; it is the opposite date of 11/1.)

But enough of this calendar numerology for now, what other important days in the history of humanity might have seen Mercury at 21°21′ Cancer?

– Ed

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That 19°49′ Aquarius Ascendant

Much of what Sibly wrote seems archaic by today’s standards, and much of the material is obsolete.  This impairs somewhat our present-day reading of the text, but one clue emerged a few months ago.

First, the engraving:

Sibly's 1804 engraving showing the delivery of an astrology chart to George Washington

Sibly's engraving that appears in "An Illustration of the Celestial Science of Astrology"

The chart, in square format common to the day, lists the seven classic planets, the lunar node, uses Placidus houses, and even has a date (July 4 1776) and time (10:10 PM) for us.  Simple enough on the surface, but looking closer, we see that the elements of time and place do not match, and the chart reveals itself as a cryptogram.


The chart is drawn for the latitude of London, but the planets are calculated for Noon at Philadelphia, which would equal 5 PM at London, which is not the 10:10 PM time, nor the time of that day that the chart’s ascendant of “19°49′ Aquarius” is rising.

What gives?  Is he just sloppy?  Or, is he trying to do the work of four charts in one?  Or maybe more?  Consider that Sibly is one of the few astrologers from the milieu of the late 18th Century that saw the events from the locale of England and left their thoughts on paper.  He saw England as the center of the political universe, and perhaps it was at that time.  He states his bias on page 1049, and believes Englad gave birth to the United States, and therefore his locale of choice is London.

Then, Sibly goes through a brief explanation of “ingress” charts for the spring equinox and summer solstice that preceeded the Declaration of Independence – a technique that is still used in contemporary astrology.  He them employs (on page 1053) an obsolete technique for progressing the ingress charts at the rate of a day for every week.  The reason he gives for using this particular rate of progression is that the two significators of the chart – Mars and Saturn – are in “common signs, which denote weeks.”

In other words, becuase July 4, 1776, fell 14 days after the summer solstice, the progressed angles of the solstice chart would notch up two days of motion.  The ascendant of the summer solstice over London in that year, according to Sibly’s calculations, is 16°19′ Aquarius.  The time of this event is 10:40 PM LMT, June 20, 1776, London.  Thus, 10:40 PM LMT of June 22 yields an ascendant of 19°49′ Aquarius, and the angles of the chart in the engraving.

It is understandable that this day-for-a-week technique had fallen under the radar of modern astrologers, but hopefully this will put to rest one confusing aspect of the so-called “Sibly Chart.”

Now that we know where it comes from, can we assume that it is highly unlikely Sibly was telling us that the actual timing of the signing of the Declaration of Independence had anything to do with 19°49′ Aquarius on the ascendant at London or Philadelphia.


Could it be that astrologers in Phili were using the same technique as Sibly, and timing events with this technique?

There is some historical evidence of consequence for this time of day on the 4th being important to the document, but this raises a larger question of the timing of events in July of 1776.  July 4th was really not considered “independence day” until some time after the fact, but we’ll get to much of that in posts to come.

– Ed K

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